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Egypt hosts dozens of multinational companies, but only a handful of Egyptian companies have managed the arduous and challenging task of expanding beyond their borders. Business Monthly speaks to the management of four prestigious companies that have attained multinational status to learn how they got there and where they’re going next.

BY REHAB EL-BAKRY

Orascom Telecom chief Naguib Sawiris has developed a reputation as a no-nonsense, sharp and outspoken businessman who relies heavy on strategic planning and seeks out opportunities where few would dare.

Naguib Sawiris’ uncanny ability to turn a risky venture into a lucrative enterprise has translated into Egypt’s biggest and most successful company. Under his leadership, Orascom Telecom has grown from a feisty upstart in the late 1990s to a telecommunications empire that generated £E 3.9 billion in profits last year through its operations in Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

Yet Sawiris admits that attaining multinational status was never part of the original game plan; it was simply the result of a sound business strategy. “I don’t like the conventional – to imitate and to do things like others,” he says. “Everything we’ve achieved is based on our own unique way of doing things because it’s been developed based on [OT’s] unique experience. We’re a young company – seven or eight years – so we had to start from nothing. We developed everything on our own and we have our own way of doing things and our own style. We are not imitating anyone.”

But no doubt many companies would love to imitate OT’s success. The telecom giant has generated $13 billion in revenue since 1998 and its stock has climbed an unbelievable 4,000 percent since its initial public offering (IPO) in 2000. Sawiris himself was ranked 278 on Forbes magazine’s 2006 list of the richest people on the planet.

Orascom Telecom, a division of the family-owned Orascom conglomerate, secured this surreal success when it won the bid for Egypt’s first private mobile license, Mobinil, in 1998. At the time, the country’s telecommunications sector was limited to a single incumbent operator, Telecom Egypt, and OT’s venture – with license fees alone costing $516 million – was considered an enormous gamble. But it quickly paid off for the company.

For Sawiris, it all came down to forward planning and strategic positioning. Two years before the government opened bidding for the mobile license, the astute businessman had struck a partnership with France Telecom and Motorola to build the first private network in Egypt. “When the license came around, everyone was [scrambling] to find a partner and the end result was in us winning the mobile license,” he says.

Sawiris recognized early that the only way for Orascom Telecom to fully control its development would be to become self-sufficient. “I [became] very heavily engaged in all the activities of Mobinil so that I got to know the business,” he says. “I decided that in the future I would get my own resources.”

And he did. Using £E 1.1 billion in capital raised from OT’s July 2000 IPO, Sawiris financed the payments and network expansion of a growing roster of GSM operator licenses. While much of OT’s initial thrust was in the African market, Sawiris quickly realized that the challenges of working in sub-Saharan Africa outweighed the profits generated from the region. “If you are in a small market with a small population, your management gets distracted, your human resources are scattered, and you don’t generate enough value,” he says. “We had 14 subsidiaries in sub-Saharan Africa, but we cashed out because of the limited value they were generating.”

Instead, OT turned its attention to mobile licenses in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region – a young market of 350 million potential customers. “We decided to focus on a smaller number of countries with a larger population base and maintain a very dominant position in these markets,” he says. “The Middle East market is simply bigger. There is a higher population base with a higher income, which has more value to be created.”

And with a common language and culture, OT had a clear edge over rival European bidders. “We [also] had advantages versus [foreigners] because they don’t like this area because of the risk factor. We come from the same area, so we don’t think of the risk. For us the perception of risk is much lower,” he says.
But there was no downplaying the risk involved when OT won the license to operate a mobile network in central Iraq in 2003. While Sawiris has often pointed out that Iraqna, Orascom Telecom’s subsidiary in Iraq, provides an essential service to the people, it has come at significant cost. A number of OT staff have been kidnapped over the past three years, though each time released unharmed.

Today, Orascom Telecom has six subsidiaries operating mobile services in Egypt, Algeria, Pakistan, Tunisia, Iraq and Bangladesh, with a total of 30 million subscribers. It also holds a 23-percent stake in Hong Kong-based Hutchison Telecommunications, which operates fixed-line and mobile services in Hong Kong, as well as mobile services in key Asian markets, with an estimated 10 million subscribers.

Sawiris is also the lead investor in Weather Investments, a consortium that acquired Wind, Italy’s third-largest mobile operator, in a leveraged buy-out in 2005. Costing $15 billion, the acquisition of Wind put Sawiris in the international spotlight, but had many speculating that the move was one of pride rather than strategy, an accusation he flatly denies. “For $15 billion, that would be very costly pride,” he shrugs.

Instead, he says, the acquisition of Wind represents an opportunity for OT (of which Weather owns a controlling stake) to patch into the Italian operator’s existing 28 million subscriber base while imparting its hard-earned management experience to turn the faltering mobile operator around. “We believe this company could benefit a lot from our management,” Sawiris says confidently. “We’re a multi-country operator and we have efficiency and management operations that we could bring to the company, which will bring in value beyond its existing assets. That’s why we want to be there.”

But OT also stands to gain from Wind’s 3G network. “With the increase in demand for 3G technology, we need access to this technology, which we don’t have right now,” he says. “Now, OT will have it so when we come to deploy this type of technology to this part of this world we will have the know-how and the technology. So it was very important for us to complete this deal.”

Egyptian companies face additional challenges when expanding outside the region, he acknowledges. “We were very lucky when we went to Italy that this deal went through, to tell you the truth. When you look at any of the other deals coming from this part of the world, they are usually blocked.” The US Congress’ opposition to the Bush administration’s decision to award a ports management contract to UAE-based Dubai Ports World is a case in point.

Sawiris, however, attributes much of his success in navigating these difficult waters to his networking skills. Being a micromanager by his own admission, he says the fact that he personally meets with his financers, shareholders, partner companies and the media contributes to his ability to achieve deals that others might not. People view him as a business partner first, and as an Arab second.

While some might argue that achieving multinational status is a goal in and of itself, Sawiris believes a company’s goal should be to increase its value and profits. If this means one must look beyond the borders of the company’s origin, then so be it. “Being a multinational was never [OT’s] goal,” he says. “The goal was to build something bigger, have more revenues and build more value.”

OT’s expansion strategy reflects what Sawiris sees as today’s business reality: expand or shrink. “You won’t get a medal for going global, [but] globalization is taking place all over the world and you have to decide if you want to be part of it or not,” he says. “All industries are consolidating, so the number of players is shrinking. If you know that and you don’t want to be left out of the competition, then you should plan to be part of this movement.”

As for the risks involved, he believes there can be no gain without them. “I’m a person who takes bigger risks than others... but I believe they are always well calculated.” Certainly, there’s no arguing that they have paid off.

Medhat Khalil, CEO of Raya Holdings, has charted a course for his company that has opened new markets in the region, and is now looking beyond. All this with a long-term, tenacious growth plan and, of course, a few clicks of the mouse.

A decade ago, to suggest that an Egyptian IT company would one day become a respected regional leader would have had the room in stitches. Yet today, Raya Holding is the one laughing, having grown from a humble consortium operating in the shadows of multinationals to a diversified IT powerhouse with £E 1 billion in issued capital and branches in five countries.

Raya was born in 1999 as a partnership between five local IT companies seeking to expand their position within the Egyptian market. Although each of the companies was doing well on its own, they didn’t have the necessary muscle to compete with the big boys. “The IT sector in 1999 was monopolized by three main multinational players. There were three or four very small Egyptian companies trying to penetrate this market, but it was extremely difficult even though the Egyptian market was booming,” recalls CEO Medhat Khalil. “We were in a situation where we were trying to compete against companies such as IBM and NCR, and it was actually quite embarrassing, because at the end of the day, we didn’t have what the large customers were looking for, at least [in terms of] financial stability.”

Large customers may have been impressed with the five companies’ technical capabilities, but they lacked the capital, image and brand appeal of their multinational competitors. By consolidating these companies, Khalil pooled their resources, allowing the Egyptian firm to match the size of rival multinationals. “The market was not going to wait for us, so we decided to become what the market wanted,” he says.

Smart move. The companies went from having collective revenues of around £E 80 million in 1999 to £E 1.5 billion in 2005, with the number of employees swelling from around 160 to more than 2,700. Raya now has permanent offices in Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, as well as a small office in the US. In addition, the company has operations and projects in almost every Arab country.

From the very beginning, Raya’s strategy focused on consolidating its reputation at home while building the proper corporate culture to become Egypt’s first IT multinational company (MNC). “There are two types of companies working in Egypt, [those] working for the short term to make real good money for a short period of time, and those that go through the very strategic and painful process of building their corporate culture,” says Khalil. “The second is painful because it requires a heavy upfront investment in the company’s infrastructure in what we call ‘supporting functions,’ which don’t yield money in the short term. [Instead], you invest in human resources to build your staff... build your brand through a very strong marketing strategy... and go through the process of fully automating all processes. These are all very investment-heavy functions that only pay off in the long term.”

With a capital-intensive business strategy geared towards the long term, Raya needed to generate short-term revenues until these investments matured. The company ventured into IT-related fast-moving consumer goods (FMCG) such as mobile phone, computer software and hardware sales. Diversification, Khalil says, was necessary in Egypt because the IT market was neither large enough nor sophisticated enough to support a highly specialized company.

At the same time, the Egyptian market’s limited size made it extremely difficult for Raya to find the right talent. Khalil has made a point of finding the best of the best, setting minimum requirements for university grades and skills testing. “To keep them in the company, we encourage them to upgrade their education all the time. Today, more than 50 of our staff are doing MBAs, which are 100 percent subsidized by the company. We also convinced our shareholders to allocate 10 percent of the company’s shares to finance the Employee Stock Option Program (ESOP), which gives [employees] ownership and ensures they don’t leave us.”

The limited size of the Egyptian market had Khalil pondering contracts in regional markets. Yet when Raya first began seeking contracts outside of Egypt, it found itself encumbered by the stigma of its nationality. Even when the company offered significantly lower bids than its competitors, foreign clients needed extra convincing that they were landing good deals as they felt they were compromising by contracting an Egyptian firm.

“The customer in the States or the Gulf simply wouldn’t like to outsource all its IT services to an Egyptian company because, in his opinion, Egypt is not that stable. That’s why being a multinational company was an objective in itself. As an MNC, your risk is diversified; you’re not depending on a single market, which is important for the shareholders and the customers because they know you’re stable. For us, it’s grabbing the opportunities outside Egypt, [because] that gives us stability, foreign currency and more opportunities.”

However, once Raya got a foothold in the Gulf, its opportunities snowballed. “The good thing about working in the Gulf, is that once you’ve got a few strong projects under your belt, they’ll recommend you to one another,” he says. “Now we can afford to quote good prices and [Gulf clients] will accept because they know that we will deliver.”

Khalil takes tremendous pride in the fact that Raya has implemented some of the region’s biggest and most sophisticated projects – ones that would have traditionally gone to foreign MNCs or their biggest Asian rival, India. Among them, the full automation of Abu Dhabi’s Ministry of Finance, a lucrative contract that led to a similar contract in Egypt.

Yet despite its geographical proximity, the company has made no attempt to tap into sub-Saharan Africa. Khalil says projects in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region promise familiar markets and higher returns, with Raya competing at par with other regional IT entities. “You should also compete in markets where your chances of winning are bigger,” he explains. “South Africa is a very strong competitor in IT [and] they are dominant in sub-Saharan Africa. You don’t really want to face very tough competition in very small and difficult countries, so sub-Saharan Africa is not very high on our priority list.”

By contrast, Saudi Arabia, where Raya has implemented a number of projects for the private sector, consumes 50 percent of the region’s IT services. The company also sees promising markets further afield. It recently signed an agreement with Telekom Malaysia to create a secure, virtual private network that allows Egyptian companies to contact their offices in the Asia Pacific directly from Egypt, bypassing traditional Europe-routed communication links.

In May 2005, Raya took another major step towards solidifying its international status, launching an initial public offering (IPO) of 6.6 million shares, representing 27 percent of the company, on the Egyptian stock exchange. Khalil says the decision to go public was not as much about raising capital as it was about earning credibility. “Being traded publicly garners international credibility because your information is all public. It’s one of those things that other companies around the region look for when they are considering you for a project. At the same time, it’s a status symbol for the company and the confidence you have in yourself, your market and your business.”

Although nearly a third of Raya’s projects are outside Egypt, Khalil says the company still hasn’t realized its goal as an MNC. He says this will only happen when the company is no longer identified with any specific nationality, which he expects will happen when over 70 percent of its projects are outside Egypt. Yet for now, he can boast that Raya has become a regional leader with a strong portfolio and dozens of projects to its credit.

EFG-Hermes has built a reputation as a strong and aggressive player on the Egyptian capital market, but its CEO and chairman, Yasser El Mallawany, says the time is right to venture into other regional markets.

The capital market is not for everyone. It requires a strong understanding of fundamentals, valuations and the nature of calculated risk. The same applies when charting a course to enter foreign markets, which, according to EFG-Hermes chairman and CEO Yasser El Mallawany, makes the Egyptian investment bank a good candidate for regional expansion.

EFG-Hermes, formed by the 1996 merger of the Egyptian Financial Group and Hermes Financial, has made an indelible impact on the Egyptian capital market, accounting for nearly 50 percent of all securities transactions on the Cairo & Alexandria Stock Exchanges (CASE) and many of the country’s largest IPO, merger and acquisition deals. “We’ve been in this market for a very long time,” says El Mallawany. “We’ve seen the ups and the downs. We’ve seen all the cycles.”

A regional expansion strategy was formulated in 2001 shortly after the company’s merger with long-time rival Commercial International Investment Company (CIIC), a move that gave it a broader, more robust spread of operations and thus more breathing space to manage risk. The union, which brought El Mallawany from CIIC to the helm of the company, allowed EFG-Hermes to consolidate its financial position and gave it a strong foundation as a regional player.

But making an impact in Egypt, where even in today’s booming market daily transactions hover around £E 1 billion, is one thing; making a splash in Gulf markets, where daily transactions exceed the equivalent of £E 25 billion, is something altogether different. El Mallawany says the investment bank’s strategy has been to invest heavily in a talented team able to manage the transition. But with Gulf markets sapping Egypt’s relatively small pool of talent, EFG-Hermes recognized it needed to offer attractive packages to lure and retain the country’s brightest talent. “I believe that over the past four or five years, we managed to reverse the brain drain that has taken place in this sector by applying a joint venture model between shareholders and management,” he explains.

EFG-Hermes’ staff has doubled in four years to reach 440. Among these are 90 equity-owning partners, who bring a wealth of expertise and international experience to the company. “We can’t get real talent from international investment banks to come to Egypt and work unless they are partners,” he says.
EFG-Hermes operates as both a securities brokerage and investment bank, the latter being an institution that provides corporate finance advice and acts as an intermediary between companies issuing new securities and the public. In recent years, however, the company has shifted its focus away from its brokerage activities and towards investment banking. “Traditionally, EFG-Hermes had a lot of private equity positions within its balance sheet. We solidified our financial positions by phasing out private equity as a [main] source of profits for the company,” explains El Mallawany.

Having restructured the company’s financial position, realigned its market strategy and secured the right talent, EFG-Hermes turned its attention towards the Gulf. “Discussions among the partners resulted in the decision that our first move would be to the Emirates,” El Mallawany says. EFG-Hermes opened an office in Dubai in 2004 and has since been granted licenses to conduct brokerage, asset management and investment banking activities.

He says selecting a market for expansion is not based on a pre-set list. Rather it is based on the opportunities that present themselves. He currently has his eyes on two other vibrant regional markets, but says if opportunities present themselves elsewhere, the company is prepared to act.

EFG-Hermes’ expansion strategy is moving against the flow, coming at a time when a flood of Gulf investment banks are moving into the Egyptian market. But for El Mallawany, regional expansion is simply a sign of maturity. “If you do not grow then you’re stagnant. This is the normal progression in the development of the private sector. When the private sector grows and reaches a certain point of maturity, it’s only normal for it to grow beyond borders,” he explains.

Of course, penetrating foreign markets has a unique set of challenges. “Definitely going to another market, I don’t have the same access and penetration as I do in my home market in which I’ve invested time,” El Mallawany admits. In Egypt, for instance, EFG-Hermes controls 40-50 percent of the securities market, while in Dubai, by contrast, it holds just a 7-percent share. “However, [market penetration] is achievable by providing value-added [services] and by differentiating yourself from others.”

Certainly local companies operating in these markets have the homefield advantage and years of experience. El Mallawany says that to level the playing field, the company capitalizes on local expertise. “We don’t like to send in people with suitcases. We live in the local market we are penetrating. We have some of our people from here, but we also hire local people and blend into the community, though we keep our brand.”

How to judge a successful expansion? El Mallawany says the best indicator that EFG-Hermes has been successful is that its UAE branch closed the Emirates’ largest ever IPO – a $656.8 million offering of a 20-percent stake in Emirates Integrated Telecommunications Company (EITC). The stake sale was 167 times oversubscribed and attracted a whopping $109 billion in bids. “It takes time, effort and sweat until you establish your brand, and until you substantiate that, you have value added to provide,” he says. “The answer is that it’s not an easy process, but it’s doable.”

He says Egyptians accept that foreign companies come to Egypt seeking opportunities, but are critical of local companies that grow too strong. “The problem is that successful [Egyptian companies] do not get enough support from the media and the masses. On the contrary, if somebody grows beyond a certain level, they get more attacks in their home country than praise. That is the major issue.”

EFG-Hermes has faced its share of criticism despite paying £E 110 million in taxes this year and providing jobs for hundreds of Egyptians, he says. “We need to educate the masses that the success of Egyptian companies is a success for the country.”

While the firm is actively pursuing its regional endeavors, El Mallawany assuredly says this will not come at the expense of its Egyptian market. He says the Egyptian market shows solid, long-term growth fundamentals. Operations here will also serve as an incubator for the talent the firm will use for its regional growth.

With its UAE office showing promising growth, EFG-Hermes is now looking carefully at the possibility of moving into other regional markets, though El Mallawany is mum on the details. What is known, however, is that Europe is not on the agenda. Instead, the investment bank has applied for an operating license in Saudi Arabia, and is investigating its options in Lebanon.

From its inception in 1979, Oriental Weavers has had its eye on the prize. What started as a modest rug company has grown into a conglomerate of seven companies that manufacture a full line of floor coverings and their components in factories located around the world.

When Mohamed Farid Khamis established Oriental Weavers (OW) in 1979, he had just one loom and limited capital, but no shortage of ambition. That worn-out loom, now encased in display glass in the company’s main factory in 10th of Ramadan City, serves as a perennial reminder of how far the company has come in a quarter of a century.

The company’s business strategy evolved out of its founder’s acute understanding of the global market. “My father started off on the opposite side of the business, importing rugs to the Middle East from Europe,” says Farida Khamis, OW’s investor relations and international business director, speaking on behalf of her father, who prefers to stay out of the media spotlight. “He understood the kinds of demands that existed around the world and his strategy was to manufacture in Egypt and export rugs to the US and European markets.”

In the ensuing 27 years, Oriental Weavers has grown to become a world leader in machine-made rugs and carpets, with production facilities in Egypt, the US and China. “A major factor that contributed to the company’s success was that from the very beginning, it was export-oriented,” she says.

In the early 1980s, a time when most Egyptian companies were focusing on taking a share of the newly opened local market with export production a distant afterthought, Khamis’ father was formulating an export strategy that would blaze a trail into lucrative foreign markets. The manufactured rug and carpet market was dominated by the well-oiled factories of Europe and the US. Oriental Weavers, however, had a few leads over its competitors.

“Our biggest competition [during the 1980s] was from Belgium, which had a lot of issues with costs, taxes and employment. On the other side of the ocean was the US, which had similar issues. We on the other hand had a lot of advantages including cost-effective labor, incentives such as tax and customs exemptions, because we were export-oriented. We had all these advantages and we chose to capitalize on them,” Khamis says.

For over a decade, Oriental Weavers focused on opening and consolidating its foreign markets, particularly the US. “From the beginning, we identified that the US market was one with very high potential, accounting for 60 percent of our exports [at the time].” Still, the company was facing stiff competition from American manufacturers, which despite higher costs were undercutting the company’s sales by offering shorter lead times.

In 1991, Khamis’ father made his boldest move. Instead of slashing prices to compete in the US market, he decided to take on his American rivals head-on by setting up manufacturing plants in their backyard. “We decided that the best way to compete in markets was to be right there in the market alongside the competition,” Khamis relates. “So we set up a manufacturing plant in Georgia, USA, which is considered the Silicon Valley of rug manufacturing.”

While the cost of production in the US was higher, she admits, when the cost of shipping was factored in, it became evident that the company could produce competitively priced products. In addition, a US-based factory would let Oriental Weavers supply its products in the same lead time as their competitors, eliminating their rivals’ key advantage. Today this factory feeds some 10,000 outlets that distribute the company’s products in the US and Canada. It has helped the company secure a 7.5-percent share of the $4.6 billion US rug market, and up to 25 percent of the woven machine-made area rug market.

Vertical integration has been a main factor in Oriental Weaver’s success. The company’s subsidiaries manufacture almost all the components of its floor coverings, and handle the sale and distribution of the finished products.

As part of its strategy of self-sufficiency, Oriental Weavers established Egypt’s first and only polypropylene plant in 2001 to secure a steady supply of synthetic fibers for its rugs and carpets. The company produces its own wool, fibers and other raw materials for rug manufacture. “Because these are the components that we depend on so heavily, our decision to become fully vertically integrated allowed us to take full control of our production line and our components. This way we [prevent anyone from interfering] in our ability to meet our production and export commitments,” explains Khamis.

A key strategy of Oriental Weavers is to identify markets with the potential for growth or competition, and take them on. The company has invested over $12 million in a manufacturing plant in Tianjin, China, that manufactures floor coverings for its Chinese clients. “This is a market that has great potential. It’s estimated that the home furnishing industry in China is worth $50 billion a year. We can’t afford not to be there,” Khamis says. “Moreover, the cost structure in China is very similar to that of Egypt, so it made sense for us.”

The company’s Chinese plant reduces the shipping costs and lead time to a potential market of 1.4 billion people whose purchasing power is on the rise. “The move to China was about being where the potential market will be as well as where our big clients are,” says Khamis. The plant, with three mechanical looms and an annual production capacity of 1.4 million square meters, is also expected to manufacture rugs and carpets for export to other vibrant Asian markets.

Despite its investment in China, the company has no plans to reduce its operations in Egypt. “We are still growing in Egypt. Our factories work 24 hours a day, seven days a week and we still can’t meet our demands. We’re ordering machines on a monthly basis and still demand outweighs our supply.”

The floor coverings giant continues to spread into new markets, successfully penetrating nearly 20 new markets in the last two years. It also managed to gain a foothold in Turkey, a strategy Khamis says aimed at neutralizing one of its newest competitors in the machine-made rug industry.

Perhaps the biggest investment Oriental Weavers has made, suggests Khamis, is in its clients, which include some of the world’s biggest retail chains, including Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, Carrefour and Ikea. One way in which it does this is by working with these clients to develop exclusive design collections based on the particular specifications, color schemes and tastes of their consumers. “For each [client], we have a marketing and design team that follows up with the client throughout the process. Then we have an export team that works on their products to make sure they are exactly where the client needs them at the right time,” she explains.

While corporate clients are important, accounting for the bulk of international business, Oriental Weavers pays close attention to its individual clients, particularly in the Egyptian market. Its domestic strategy aims to satisfy the budgets and tastes of all social classes – a decision that Khamis claims has helped the company secure an 85-percent market share. “We have over 100 showrooms in Egypt. Some are very sophisticated in big cities, while others are very simple in small towns. The whole point is that at Oriental Weavers we want anyone who walks into our showroom to find something that meets their needs regardless of their budget.”

As its understanding of its customers increased, Oriental Weavers decided to diversify its product line. “We found that our clients order area rugs from us but they go to others for other floor coverings. To us, this was all potential business that we were not getting, so we decided to expand to do all types of floor coverings in order to provide our clients with everything they might need,” says Khamis.

Beginning in the early 1990s, the company began adding on new floor covering lines, including wall-to-wall carpets, mats, car upholstery and wall hangings. More recently, the company decided to branch out to include the production of bed sheets and towels, capitalizing on their recognized brand name and the international leverage of Egyptian cotton.

One of the advantages of a decades-old export strategy is that it keeps a company competitive. Oriental Weavers has faced its toughest competitors on their own soil, and won. So the company feels confident it can hold its own against the fresh influx of cheap Asian floor coverings entering Egypt as a result of recent tariff reductions. “We already compete with them in their markets, so their entry into ours does not worry us at all,” Khamis assures. “We’ve never made the protection of the market our edge, because we always sought out competition [in their market]. So if they want to try to compete with us in Egypt, they’re more than welcome to try.”

 


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